Tuesday, December 05, 2006

Vegeterian vs Non-Vegeterian

Last week we (Tekriti people) did sharing forum on Veg vs Non-Veg. This was really a type of disputing GD. Few people were in favour of Vegeterian and few were with non-veg. I noticed few things at time of GD that we should not go for such type of discussions with out being prepared.
At the time of GD I was in favour of vegeterian and was not having good things to speak out instead of its against emotional feelings & ethics and I dont like to kill any animal for my pleasure only.
As I thought of writing a post and just search for "Reason for being vegeterian" and I found a lot of reasons.
And then I tried for "Reason for being non vegeterian" and result was intresting, found again 21 resons for being vegeterian, 51 good reasons for being vegeterain and more even in first page.

adding picture of the search:



Thats a intresting fact that being a vegeterian has always good reasons.
I am adding few reasons for being a vegeterian from that search:

* Avoiding meat is one of the best and simplest ways to cut down your fat consumption. Modern farm animals are deliberately fattened up to increase profits. Eating fatty meat increases your chances of having a heart attack or developing cancer.

* A sausage can contain ground up intestines. How can anyone be sure that the intestines are empty when they are ground up? Do you really want to eat the content of a pig's intestines?

* If we eat the plants we grow instead of feeding them to animals, the world's food shortage will disappear virtually overnight. Remember that 100 acres of land will produce enough beef for 20 people but enough wheat to feed 240 people.

* It's must easier to become (and stay) slim if you are a vegetarian. (By 'slim', I do not mean 'abnormally slender' or 'underweight' but rather, an absense of excess weight!)

* If you eat meat, you are consuming hormones that were fed to the animals. No one knows what effect those hormones will have on your health. In some parts of the world, as many as one on four hamburgers contain growth hormones that were originally given to cattle.

* The part about the antibiotics is really scary to me, I talked to a doctor once who told me that people can be really sick and hospitalized and not respond to antibiotics they need to save their life because their bodies have built up these crazy tolerances to them from eating meat and dairy.

* Water Conservation. It takes 3 to 15 times as much water to produce animal protein as it does plant protein. As a vegetarian I contribute to water conservation.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

As far as ethics is concerned - aren't plants also alive? Is our compassion to killing a life only limited to entities that can move/scream etc? The only ethical way is to stand in the sun and make our food ourselves :) maybe in few centuries nano-tech will allow us to do that, then the whole debate will be moot...

Nibs said...

Yes Plants response for water, light and other things but they dont feel pain. Because for feeling pain, any one should have a brain, a central nervous system and plants dont have these things.
There a big difference between cutting a plant and cutting a animal.
Animals are made of same blood, bones etc, they are same as us.

Nibs said...

Manoj..
Being a Vegi.. or non vegi its all depend on a person family background and friends group also.
What I feel when people enjoy non veg food then the dont feel that it would be worng, they only see that they are enjoying it only. They dont know what could be the real things beside their enjoyment.

mayank sachan said...

Being a veggie is good or bad I say neither its good not bad because you eat what you
Like and your likings and disliking depends on your thought process.
The more sensitive you are the more mild habit you posses like you will not kill anybody
Look around your world and see how many people are really feeling the pain and agony
Of others and then realize why people enjoys non-vegetarian food.
To counter my point one can say look I am non-vegetarian but I am very kind hearted.
Then please tell me if you are dieing by hunger and you have kill somebody to save your life then what you will do..99.9% non-vegetarian will kill to save there life. It means the
Non-vegetarian people are bit less sensitive. And less human they are in process of evolution.
I was a non-vegetarian but after NITHARI incident when one theory of cannibalism have been cropped up that accused of the case was used to eat those dead children meat…It forced to think me how we can say that cannibalism is wrong??? It is only one step ahead
Of non-vegetarian and this is the limit if eating flash of other body.
NOW decide what we should eat?????????
mayak sachan

Nibs said...

Very true Mayank.

ankurindia said...

killing someone for food is simply a humitarian act according to me .. and act of extreme cruality on animals ..so dont eat nonveg and will not eat too

amit sachan said...

During my school days I got to learn a saying "jiv jivasya bhojanam" from one of my text book,which was from the subject sanskrit.
Fooding habits of any individual solely depends on the availabilty of food in that area,
one could not expect any individual from cold regions to be fully vegetarian.It's just like that the european society does'nt resist alcohol consumption but in the society like ours its not so widely accepted,so what I think that it a mere equation of "supply and demand".
One thing more which I would like to stste is that suppose whole of the earth's population turns vegetarian then there is certainly going to be a crisis,so the law of nature should not be disturbed and food chain should go on as decided.

Mir Nazim said...

Hey Nibha
Juts noticed this post.
As your notion of plants feeing pain is concerned, I am sorry to inform you that plant also so feel pain. They also cry and even feel happy. I read it in some book, the name of which I do not remember.

An as far as killing animals is concerned,
1)stop using mosquito mats and sprays coz that also kills them. Even if, it does only repels them you are denying them their food. They have right to suck your blood.
2) Stop using cockroach sprays, coz, it kills them
3)Stop boiling milk, water before consuming them coz it kill germs, they are also living beings.
4)Above all stop breathing. Coz you cannot breath without killing thousands of living beings.

Get your facts right.

Nibs said...

Nazim,
you are correct in some way but just think if the things comes in the way of your survival, you need to remove the obstacles.
Mosyquito, cockroach, food bacteria all are example of these obstacles.
if you are being hurted by some one you will always try to escape from them.
Now talk is about veg vs Non-veg, when you can live with out killing to any one, why are you killing them even if they are not hurting you in any way.
You can live with out being non-vegi.
Think about the points.

Nibs said...

Here is a good post about plant feels pain or not.

http://www.islamicconcerns.com/plants.asp

Mir Nazim said...

Rightly said that if we can live without killing any being why kill.
Do you know that,
That 8 essential amino acids are all present, at once, in non-veg food only.

Veg-Protein is of lower quality than Non-Veg Protein and veg protein cannot be used in muscle repairing.

Lacto Bassillus, bacteria responsible for making curd, dies in process of creating curd for you. You can definitely live without curd, so stop having it.

Yeast, bacteria responsible for creating your bread, dies in process creating it. So stop eating chapatis, bread, biscuits.

I can give you 100s of examples where living beings are not hurting you but u still kill them. You can avoid some of those situations but not all.

God has created some animals to be eaten by us. So there is nothing wrong in eating them.

Moreover, that Iislamic Concerns link u gave me, I already know about it. It is a con site, trying to malign Islam.

I can give you 100s of proofs from Hinduism where it say u can eat non-veg.

PS: Do you know which community in India is involved in leather business.


It's Jains, those people who talk about ahimsa and veg food most are killing animals for money ;)




Stop using leather products like shoes, hand bags etc.

Nibs said...
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Nibs said...

Yes You are correct in few things Nazim.
The things for which we are taking someone's life should not be done.

If we cannot GIVE life to any one then we have no right to take someones life.

mayank sachan said...

@mr. nazim
why you are taking this eating habit as your faith...just read my comment above and one more thing...
there is a difference in intentional killing with malicious purpose and there is unintentional killing as you said like breathing and all..when i kill some animal for my joy and test its nothing but simple act of killing whr all other things are available to eat which can cater all my health need...and if some soldier kill somebody in battle field then he has a different purpose he is not killing some body for his food or joy..a Eskimo can justify eating meat coz he lives in such a terrain whr vegetable is not available he has to catch fish and other animal for his survival but if you eat mutton in india you eat it just for your taste and in some case coz its written in your book that Allah created all the things for you...
its not about being right or wrong...... non veg means living with more sensitivity in you and if you are sensitive enough to feel others pain then you can not eat flash of other body...

Mir Nazim said...

yes Mayank
You are 100% right. And I appreciate your practicality when you talk about Eskimos etc. Good.

You are evading a major point. Don't plants have life. Why are are you sensitive to one than the other.

FYI, plants have all the 5 senses that animals posses, only difference is that they us it differently. Plants feel pain, happiness, even cry only that there perception of pain might not be like the animals.

NOW According to your logic, just because you cannot understand they way plants feel pain, you can kill them.

You other point is eating meat for taste or religious reasons. First things first, it is not compulsory to eat meat in Islam. One can be a very good person by being a complete a vegi.

Now Islam allows us to eat whatever is good for us including meant of certain animals. BUT, Islam always preaches moderation and restraint. Killing and hunting for pleasure is strictly prohibited by our beloved Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). By meat on credit is discouraged also, because, meat being a tasty delicacy, you can easily be addicted to and may do wrong things to pay of credit that might get amassed.

Being a vegi or nod-veg is a matter of personal choice.

Don't get medical science in here until you have solid proof. Not just some web page or an article in newspaper. Solid proof from any single medical textbooks around the world.

Ethical arguments against the non-vegitarianism also fall apart badly in the light of modern science as I mentioned above.

mayank sachan said...

Mr. nazim
Sorry for replying late coz I am not writing these days but can not resist to give a comment on it
I think again you are stating the same thing that plant can feel pain so they are as good as animal or living being so you put veggies and non-veggies in same side….
Now I think first I have to describe the basic difference between sensitivity and need… what do you think why people advocates for non-violence and going by your logic if a person is eating vegetables he is not eligible to speak about non- violence against animals… my point is you set two level of sensitivity one is for humans and other is for rest of the creature… by your faith (Islam) your mind is conditioned in such a way where you can be sensitive for a man but not for goat….. coz it is written in your holy book that everything is created by Allah for you…. That’s why you don’t feel pain when you kill a goat… when you slit the throat of a goat just look how she feels and cry and behaves can you see the same thing when you pluck a flower from the plant????
My point was if I can feel the pain of others I can feel it equally for the human and animal my sensitivity is not prioritized by my teachings or faith.
when you talk of Islam it was originated in Arab world where vegetables was not enough for everybody that’s why it meat eating was advocated because survival was on stake
But when you are in India where vegetable, pulses, and food grain are cheaper then mutton and still you are eating meat then its not need but choice and and what you choose shows your level of sensitivity…. But don’t try to put veggies and non-veggies in same side in the name of “plant can feel” coz plant don’t show emotions they don’t cry and don’t make love and they do not have flash, bones and blood in there body……

Ajay said...

killing of organisms with developed nervous system is unethical and a true crime. As far as plants are concerned we should replace them with their rate of consumption.

vashishth said...

Dear All,

A really interesting topic to debate.

Some interesting points to think :

Plant killing animal killing- Is it the same : First what is more important is to justify whether it is right or wrong to kill (whether plant or animal). If somebody kills a plant and it justifies your killing an animal please go ahead and do that. Point is killing. Secondly vegeterians will eat the fruit of a plant which techincally detaches from the mother plant. You do not kill a plant, but eat its fruit. Though again exceptions might br there. But exceptions are there for everything.

Hinduism preaches killing of animal for food : I am not hurting anybody's religious sentiments here. But religion has been changed over the years to suit ones need. For example Shri Bhagvad Gita is what God had preached. But there are at least 100 interpretations for it. A statement put forward by GOD has been interpreted in 100 different ways by different people. But one clear thing which has been written in Shri Gita is the fact that there are 3 kinds of food. One which makes your soul pure happy and content. ("man(atma) ko sheetal kar deta hai"-in hindi). One which makes you sick. And one which takes out the devil inside you. ( in short 3 kinds of food). First one has milk, fresh fruits and vegetables. Second one has rotten food. while the third one has meat in its classification. Though GOD didnt advice which one to take , HE has clearly given a hint.

Every human being has a BAD and GOOD inside him. Meat takes out the BAD inside you. Go to a buther and see the fierceness, cruelty he has in his eyes. Someday if he ahs to kill a person,(GOD forsakes) he will not hesitate. The MEat the blood will take out the inner DEvil inside you and you shall not heitate to kill a person. It makes one more aggresive fierce. Examples are animals who are vegeterians and non-vegeterians.

And the point that meat is more nutritious than veg food is right. But it contains more than needed. Point is veg food contain enough meat contains more. IF veg fodd didnt meet the right reuiremetn and non veg foof was essential for living then simply in one line the vegeterians would have been extinct over a period of time in evolution. :)

Be vegeterian for a month and see the change in your attitude. I am sure he/she will be more polite, calm and subtle.

/Vashishth